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Thursday, April 24, 2003

Is GNR the Biggest Waste Ever?
Not counting Firehouse, has anyone ever done rock n' roll better than Guns N' Roses in their Appetite for Destruction era?

You couldn't invent a more perfect rock band. Right off the bat, they had the look, the attitude. They had the talent, a hard and hint-of-blues sound that separated them from the popular rock bands of the era. They had the S.O.B. frontman, the ace guitarist. The critics loved them. The fans loved them more.

Somewhere along the line, Sweet Child O' Mine morphed into the biggest chick song since Jessie's Girl but, 16 years after its release, Appetite resonates as a near-perfect album with legs.

Or am I overestimating a band that, after a double-CD effort that ignited Midnight Madness sales across college campuses and a concert tour in which Metallica opened for them, fell off the face of the planet?

Has any band ever had more promise only to fizzle out without much notice? We know why GNR failed — even at their best musically they disappointed fans with their lack of professionalism, somehow ignoring that a ticket sale is a contract for performance — but we can't point to a moment or two in the band's history and say, if it weren't for that, they'd have continued to kick ass.

And has there ever been a biggest disappointment than the time Jimmy Fallon introduced Guns N' Roses to end the 2002 MTV Video Music Awards and out came Axl, a guy with a bucket of KFC on his head and some guys we didn't recognize?

Guns N' Roses Links:

GNR Gallery — Tons of candids, pub shots and in-concert photos of all band members through the years, including Buckethead

Guns N' Roses Timeline — Track the band from the birth of William Bailey (the skinny redhead who swayed his hips) in 1962 to the final time in 2002 when they failed to perform as headliners

Rolling Stone GNR Covers — The band made the cover of music's definitive pub five times

Metal Sludge Interviews Riki Rachtman — You can't talk hair bands without bringing up the host of Headbanger's Ball, after Adam Curry got the boot. In this Q&A, Rachtman calls GNR "still the greatest rock n' roll band ever"

Poll: Slash Fourth-Best Guitarist Ever — The top three were Hendrix, Clapton and Page. Janice from Electric Mayhem did not place in the top 20

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Comments: Is GNR the Biggest Waste Ever?

I can't decide what's a bigger waste: the collective talents of that band (okay, the drummer is a tossup) or the fact that Axl Rose's voice in the prime of its full force has more or less sat idle for the better part of a decade.

That guy had the chance to put his vocal thumbprint on so many different styles of music and he just squandered it like a fool who blows all his lottery money in two week's time. I think he's one of the reasons that the music industry is so unbelievably lousy right now. Without a dominant personality to keep the suits in check and keep rock 'n' roll wild the way it should be, they were able to just run roughshod.

What I wouldn't have given for Axl and Cobain to work together on a song. Or for Axl and Eminem to have collaborated. Talk about three collossal head cases... but three amazing talents.

In Axl's absence, we instead got three solid years of safe, bland, meaningless boy band and breast implant music.

Thank's Ax.

Axl could have had Steven Tyler's or Neil Young's longevity. He chose otherwise.

What a goddamn loon.

Posted by Jeff at April 24, 2003 7:58 AM

I was more embarassed for Tommy Stinson (bass player, formerly in the Replacements) after that MTV thing. Looks like he did the respectable thing and jumped ship before Axl ruined any more of his rock-n-roll credibility.

The bucket guy never had any cred. Do people who wear chicken buckets on their head normally get respect?

Posted by jj at April 24, 2003 8:54 AM

Na-na-na-na-na-na Knees! Knees!

Posted by bhw at April 24, 2003 9:46 AM

Either they forgot the words 'Rock-n-Roll' in the title of that poll, or they should be tarred and feathered.

Oh, and Paul, I trust you were #441.

Posted by Marty at April 24, 2003 10:09 AM

Axyl's head got bigger and cloudier than his voice. Appetite is one of the most kick-ass albums of rock history (Back in Black, Van Halen debut, etc., etc.) the guy fizzled, couldn't take the success and brought the band down with him.

Other rock failures? Bay City Rollers, Molly Hatchet and April Wine. Oh, I forgot to mention Asia, Tears for Fears and Rick Springfield. CAt Stevens was also my main man until he went all towel head on us. "I'm being followed by a moon shadow, moon shadow, moon shadow..." Man, that dude just fizzled into rock pergatory.

Damn, I need to stop living in the past.....

Posted by JC at April 24, 2003 10:54 AM

i can't believe that anyone in thier right mind would compare GNR to molly hatchett, tears for fears, etc..
GNR put out the greatest album of all time, and three more that place in my top 50.
true the faded out, but they did it right, lived like rock gods, and now they are home counting thier cash.
so lay off the GNR bashing

Posted by carter at April 24, 2003 11:02 AM

GNR's at home counting cash? Or are their drugs dealers counting their cash?

Axl ran around stage with a guy wearing a KFC bucket. Slash guest hosted on Jimmy Kimmel Live after Don King did. (Amazingly, he seems to be the most grounded, even though I almost called the cops the first time I saw him on MTV.)

The only thing they did right after 1991 was self-destruct. Whatever the problems -- drugs, lack of profesionalism -- it was their own fault.

Damn shame, too. I'm sure there are people who never liked 'em, but I never met one.

Posted by Paul Katcher at April 24, 2003 11:23 AM

Carter, I'll bash whomever I choose.

If you look at my post, I acknowlged that Appetite was one of the best of all time. The whole thread centered around who was on top then faded. Your top 50 is just that, yours.
Besides Appetite, my opinion (ie. that of me and no one else) is that their "rock god" lifestyles lead to GNR's ultimate "destruction". The bands I mentioned were mainly tounge-in-cheek but they do illustrate the point fairly. Most bands don't have longevity and it is truly the superbands that do either in current performances or on the radio (Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, The Who, etc., etc. [yes all Brit and Aussie bands, but I am struggling to find some yanks who fit the bill besides Jon Bovi]). Currently, Godsmack, Lincoln Park, Nickel Back and 3 Doors Down are in vogue and only time will tell if they have longevity.

So, Carter, before you go attacking me for my opinions, get your facts straight.

Posted by JC at April 24, 2003 12:53 PM

wow, relax JC, i am just kidding around, i don't care about your opinion and you don't care about mine.

Posted by carter at April 24, 2003 1:46 PM

I always felt sorry for Tommy Stinson when he joined GnR. I still consider The Replacements to be one of, if not the, greatest bands ever (OK, go ahead and flame away). It was always a little disappointing that they never really got their due. To see Tommy jump on this watered-down version of GnR was just kinda sad.

Posted by TTman at April 24, 2003 4:00 PM

Sorry Carter. It is sometimes tough to see humorous inflection simply from the written word.

In any event, who can forget that Canadian juggernaut, Loverboy?

Posted by JC at April 24, 2003 4:49 PM

Yawn.

Care to listen to Yo-Yo Ma, boys?

Posted by lucy at April 24, 2003 6:21 PM

I'm waiting for Yo-Yo Ma to collaborate Dre and switch his name to Yo-Yo Mama.

Posted by Jeff at April 24, 2003 6:25 PM

What about a trio: Yo Yo Ma, Yoko Ono, and Toto?

Call it Yo Yo Yoko Toto

Posted by JC at April 24, 2003 6:28 PM

Tommy Stinson's been a "gun" for hire for many years now playing bass in the studio for many a group and also doing a bit of touring. I think it was just a job for him...at least that's what I HOPE!

Posted by jj at April 24, 2003 10:52 PM

I was lucky enough to get to see GnR three times back in the day, and they put on incredible shows. Paul is absolutely correct about how poorly Axl treated fans. I went to a show in Chicago on a Sunday night (I think it was '92) and the best they could do on the printed ticket was say "Showtime around 9:30."
The Smashing Pumpkins, at the time considered an up-and-coming band, was a surprise opening act and played from 8-9, sending thousands of people scurrying from the parking lot into the Rosemont Horizon.
Well, after they left the stage, Axl kept the fans waiting until 10:50 p.m. before taking the stage, nearly two hours. They cut off beer sales around 9:15 so it was horrible waiting there with nothing to drink for nearly two hours. When they finally started, it was an awesome show that lasted more than three hours to 1:55 a.m. (I couldn't believe it when they went into "Coma" at 1:30 a.m.), but cheeseheads like myself didn't get home until 4 a.m. It made for a rough Monday at work, but I was 27 and made it through the day fine.
But, when Axl brought the new GnR to the same arena last year, my wife and I didn't get tickets. We wanted to, but couldn't. I'm old now and have a child. You just can't tell a babysitter you will be home sometime between midnight and 4 a.m.

Posted by Joe DiGiovanni at April 25, 2003 10:51 AM

I waited over two hours for GNR to come on stage after Metallica at Giants Stadium in the early '90s. Two hours. Try standing on a corner for two hours waiting for a friend to show and see how torturous that is. Fucking disgrace.

Posted by Paul Katcher at April 25, 2003 12:48 PM

Particularly if you paid that friend to show up!

Posted by bhw at April 25, 2003 4:51 PM

GNR's demise is certainly sad, and seeing puffy face Axl is a drag when you consider that fossil looking Mick and Keith are still touring and raking in the big bucks.

"It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." -- David St. Hubbins

Posted by kevin at April 27, 2003 11:12 PM

This is late (Monday), but Guns N' Roses did it right.

In theory, rock and roll should be about spectacular rises and even more spectacular falls. (Buddy Holly anyone? Bad, I know).

Still, GNR was the hottest band on the planet in the late '80s. They made one of the best albums in rock and roll history in Appetite (Top 10, at least).

These guys were born to flame out.

They had their double album, but that was just the beginning of the end with bloated egos, bloated songs and now, Axl, who's just plain bloated.

We should appreciate the Gunners and Appetite for what that time was. Personally, I should (and the rest of us) should be so lucky to be that brilliant just once in our lives.

Wasted? You bet. We shouldn't want it any other way.

Posted by Rob at April 28, 2003 2:21 PM

and im really late...
gnr was the shiit back then.
axl rocked..i mean who else could do
that damn dance and make it look good.
and the spaghetti incident?
lord

Posted by tracy at April 29, 2003 8:08 PM

Hey, I know the new line up is completely different but the new stuff they played on their 2002 tour was actually really good. They played a couple of songs called 'The Blues' & 'Madagascar' which were awesome. I say we see what Chinese Democracy has 2 offer before we knock Axl...well when it eventually gets released.

Posted by Mark at August 10, 2003 7:31 PM

"I get up around whenever... used to get on time"

Posted by Sirckus at August 19, 2003 1:26 PM
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